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"the rebirth of a small number of Underwater Demolition Teams"

LOL.

we go BACK TO THE BEGINNING Vizzini!

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What inspired the changes to First SINO in the new version?

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I was needing to flesh out the events to the war for another post that will be coming (the first part of the Marine Lore) and i felt like the ending of First Sino didn't make too much sense, and so i wanted a more credible and earlier time for it to end.

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this timeline is beautiful, love the little details in it bravo

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When was the SOLO insertion method developed and how much experience did the JSOC operators have with it prior to doing it for real?

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SOLO is yeeting dudes out the back of an inverted X-37 that is either skipping on the atmosphere or on a return glide, so basically a very, very high altitude HALO jump. I think it was purely theoretical and the one done during the war is the first one, perhaps a second one after a test mission

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Awesome lol

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I have a few questions. So 1. In the dvtl you mention 9/11 still happens. Like how does that end up happening. 2. Does Florida ever go blue or stays red. 3. Does Taiwan get f/35s after first sino? 4. What’s australia looking like? Do they finally decide to get a proper carrier or? And what happens with aukus 5. Is there any domestic violence stemming from first and second sino from far right/left groups. I know I ask a lot of questions but I am genuinely interested in this universe and the lore surrounding it.

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1) post-shift there is 9/11, its orchestrated through a cut-out (Al-Qaeda) of the Islamic Republic of Arabia's Jerusalem Force in retaliation for US support for Free Iraq and the Iranian Republic during the latter Levantine Wars

2) pre-shift Florida is a red state that occasionally goes blue

3) Taiwan does not get F-35s after First Sino, but does get basically everything else that isn't 5th Gen

4) Australia ends up a republic, they get their AUKUS subs (a total of 5 plus the british common class), they might end up getting a LPV derived carrier but not sure

5) second sino? not really. First Sino? there is a huge and truly deranged information war but not really any violence, or at least any notable violence.

oh i love answering questions, though it'd probably easier if you just follow me on twitter cus i post about DV a lot lol

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Gotta say I’ll follow you def. Never thought of that. But 1. What do they end up hitting anyways. I know from looking at your twitter that gore got debt of honored. But what else2. I’m surprised they don’t get f-35s considering chinas a lot more aggressive. Any reason why or just kinda they need other shit more. 3. Tbh, not to be like demanding I guess is the right word but I do think australia would get a carrier. Because think about it first sino would def spook the fuck out of them. And second lasts for what two years. I would think they would at least buy a america class type of ship or something.

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1. oh because by the 2000s most of the Certs are dead or retired and their warnings are ignored (there is an airline reform bill that weakens on plane security in the 80s), basically hubris plus the transition is fucked up

2. its more a money thing and risking F-35s falling into PLA hands / 5th gen VLO can't mitigate how dangerous taiwanese air space would be, even if it'd help, cheaper to just get second hand 4.5 gen

3. oh i think the OSAT navies get some US or Korean built LPVs (basically CVVs, so like Midway sized), just not sure *who* definitely not LHAs since they really quite suck at sortie generation and don't carry that much munitions for their jets

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1. So that does bring up a good question. What happens to the fleet? Like are they museum ships or get scrapped? Also what targets get hit on 9/112. Makes sense tbh, never thought about the second point.3. Makes sense, also speaking of osato, who is even in it?

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The fleet probably gets sized down to keep spares available, but gets run ragged into the 90s or so. The Towers and the WH get hit. OSATO, i think i list the original members/membership arrangements in "We Didn't Start the Fire"

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Oh yea you did list them. I didn’t see that for some reason. Also what happens to battleships post shift. Do they get turned into missile carriers or?

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Anadolu class LHD for Indonesian Navy post shift, let's go (with 'must be different' Turkiye govt)

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Will current world events continue to influence pre-shift Double Victory?

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What happened to Thailand? Are they part of the second tier?

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Ah got it Indonesia is also on board. No choice...

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Curious why CCP spared Indonesia or Singapore in this one (or even malacca strait in general)

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